Ways to deter motorists?

Drago

Flouncing Nobber
Location
The Oval Office
Mount a fake Gatso on the rear of your bike.
 

icowden

Senior Member
Location
Surrey
This seems to be terribly popular in the US:

https://lifehacker.com/a-pool-noodle-isnt-the-worst-way-for-cyclists-to-keep-a-1787965236

That said, motorists aren't foxes. You can't deter them. You can devise ways to encourage wider passing, but the ultimate improvement will take place over the next 20 years as more and more cars start self-driving and there are many fewer cars being driven on the roads. Their programming should always ensure safe passes, and the volume reduction in traffic should create safer roads.
 

Edwardoka

Shambling ruin of a man
This seems to be terribly popular in the US:

https://lifehacker.com/a-pool-noodle-isnt-the-worst-way-for-cyclists-to-keep-a-1787965236

That said, motorists aren't foxes. You can't deter them. You can devise ways to encourage wider passing, but the ultimate improvement will take place over the next 20 years as more and more cars start self-driving and there are many fewer cars being driven on the roads. Their programming should always ensure safe passes, and the volume reduction in traffic should create safer roads.
Yeah, sorry, no.

The trolley problem used to be an interesting thought experiment but with autonomous vehicles it now has real world application.

The driving algorithms which make constant decisions about what to do will also be able to detect an unavoidable collision and will need to make risk-analysis calls.

Given the history of cars and how trivial it was for lobbyists to make cars king, combined with how utterly dreadful techbros are when it comes to ethics (hi, Facebook), I find it super difficult to imagine the developers of an AV setting it up to do more than protecting the car occupants when presented with a no-win situation. Once AV is normalised, any victim of an AV will be blamed for their own death.
 

YukonBoy

The Monch
Location
Inside my skull
Mount a fake Gatso on the rear of your bike.
Don't you mean Gatling Gun?

Maybe tandems will become more popular with the rear rider known as rear gunner.
 

icowden

Senior Member
Location
Surrey
i'm with Drago on this one. As for the Trolley problem, it's a red herring. If the vehicle is not put into scenario where there is an unavoidable collision it is a non-problem.

Why would it not be in that position? It's not human. It has multiple inputs - visual, IR, etc. It can see further. It can use prediction modelling to work out what is going on. It has reaction times vastly faster than a human. It can talk to other vehicles which are also autonomous. The more cars you have talking to each other, the more information the system can have about danger vectors. The development scenario is for the car to take action *before* the scenario happens.

The trolley problem is a binary choice. Autonomous AIs will never have a binary choice and all AI development is around the car learning to read the world around it using its enhanced senses. That's why it is still some time away. Tesla have the biggest archive of input data in the world from their vehicles. Elon Musk has stated that Tesla will have Grade 5 capable vehicles by the end of next year. That's probably over optimistic, but by 5 years? I wouldn't bet on it - and once Tesla has Grade 5 autonomous vehicles expect networks of quick hire self-driving Tesla taxis to become commonplace.
 
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