Tour de France 2019 **SPOILERS**

Discussion in 'Pro Cycling (Road and Track Racing)' started by rich p, 16 Jun 2019.

  1. MasterDabber

    MasterDabber Senior Member

    A couple of classy guys in this years edition.
    Geraint for the way he has handled himself. Comes across as a really good bloke.

    And JA who has not only lit the race up but has showed his class in so many ways.
    Have you seen the team dinner last night.

    Very classy IMO.
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  2. Dogtrousers

    Dogtrousers Kilometre nibbler

    I think this tour has probably done Alaphilippe's sponsorship earning potential no harm at all!
    (Look out for Pinot soon to be advertising band aids :sad: )
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  3. Aravis

    Aravis Here for the ride.

    Great stuff.

    A little more light reading shows that the first separate points competition in 1953 was worked out on a the simplest possible basis, which we can certainly replicate. Finishing positions on each stage were added up, the title going to the rider with the lowest total. Who the winner might me I have absolutely no idea, but it could well be a surprise.

    I remember also there used to be a team competition based on points as well as the one based on time. Green caps and yellow caps.

    As for my new all-time favourite rider, I find that in 1981 he was also the new French national champion, which is mildly disappointing because it means his popularity may have been due in part to racing prowess as well as being an all-round good guy. There's evidence of the latter in this photograph, lending a helping hand to a teammate in distress, a very familiar face:

  4. brommers

    brommers Years beyond my wisdom

    Don't they do something like this in the Vuelta?
  5. Dogtrousers

    Dogtrousers Kilometre nibbler

    What an excellent idea. Not only does it wangle Alaphilippe the win that we all crave, but it also gets two Wanty Groupe Gobert riders in the top 10. (well almost, Meurisse is tied in 10th place)

    1 JULIAN ALAPHILIPPE DECEUNINCK - QUICK - STEP 388 (21,1,56,10,6,22,3,35,11,17,31,1,2,11,20,34,14,26,67)
    2 EGAN BERNAL TEAM INEOS 449 (81,12,23,45,12,24,9,48,14,13,28,22,5,5,28,39,8,4,29)
    3 GERAINT THOMAS TEAM INEOS 463 (111,13,54,24,4,25,10,32,12,23,27,2,8,7,25,38,13,5,30)
    4 STEVEN KRUIJSWIJK TEAM JUMBO - VISMA 544 (56,17,42,34,20,58,23,58,18,19,50,6,3,8,27,51,10,8,36)
    5 NAIRO QUINTANA MOVISTAR TEAM 587 (53,35,26,51,7,21,13,53,21,22,44,28,17,19,71,57,1,10,38)
    6 GUILLAUME MARTIN WANTY - GOBERT CYCLING TEAM 643 (20,15,20,14,24,54,34,34,62,27,71,53,22,15,22,75,20,39,22)
    7 RIGOBERTO URAN EF EDUCATION FIRST 650 (82,21,27,61,15,41,14,46,48,25,69,4,7,20,35,74,15,6,40)
    8 WARREN BARGUIL TEAM ARKEA - SAMSIC 654 (101,33,61,19,21,36,17,43,26,10,56,61,9,13,18,60,18,11,41)
    9 EMANUEL BUCHMANN BORA - HANSGROHE 663 (173,28,51,35,8,51,18,24,22,35,45,15,4,4,30,55,11,7,47)
    10 ALEJANDRO VALVERDE MOVISTAR TEAM 669 (67,30,73,56,29,64,31,61,27,47,36,14,12,9,32,43,19,2,17)
    10 XANDRO MEURISSE WANTY - GOBERT CYCLING TEAM 669 (26,8,84,11,3,62,7,22,46,57,34,40,56,22,31,20,39,67,34)

    As an aside, this goes some way to explain why I'm such a fan of WGG. Since they first showed up in the TdF about 3 or 4 years ago they have always been visible, always busy. They were busting a gut for Pasqualon on the Champs Elysees yesterday even though they knew they really weren't in with a chance (I think he came in 16th). (And they just won the first two stages and currently hold the lead in the Tour of Walonie).
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  6. Crackle

    Crackle Squatter

    I didn't know you were a fan of WGG, Dogtrousers, I don't think you've mentioned it before.
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  7. Dogtrousers

    Dogtrousers Kilometre nibbler

    I'm trying to whip up more support for them.

    Without much success, it seems :sad:

    Here's a selfie I took while watching the final stage yesterday.
  8. brommers

    brommers Years beyond my wisdom


    "Some stage races award a white jersey for a different classification than youth. The foremost of these is probably the Vuelta a España, where it recognizes the leader in the Combination classification. In this classification, ranks in the General, Points, and Mountains classifications are added, and whoever has the lowest cumulative total is awarded the white jersey. It is a relatively new award, having existed only since the 2003 edition of the race.[1] In 1941, the Vuelta a España white jersey was for the leader and overall winner of the General classification"
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  9. Foghat

    Foghat Guru

    For anyone doubting the landslide situation on the Cormet de Roselend, I took the images below today. The road is clear to the top now, but there were several locations where mudslides had obviously been cleared. Descending is a bit nerve-wracking at the moment, principally in the shaded areas under trees, as the possibility of encountering hard-to-see rogue rocks is fairly high, and hitting one of those ain't gonna be pretty. As ever, 100% concentration required.




    And this has appeared since last week, and is currently blocking the back road into Bourg St Maurice, necessitating a 70m climb to navigate around it (there's a bridge buried under there somewhere, if it hasn't been washed away):

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  10. Crackle

    Crackle Squatter

    When will itv4 ring me up and tell me I've won the Boardman bike package?
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  11. Dogtrousers

    Dogtrousers Kilometre nibbler

    Tell you what, when I win it you can have the Zwift subscription. Because fun is fast
  12. Crackle

    Crackle Squatter

    Ok but only if I get the trainer as well.
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  13. Starchivore

    Starchivore I don't know much about Cinco de Mayo

    Hmmm.... something about that combination of words rings a quiet, distant bell of familiarity....
  14. Aravis

    Aravis Here for the ride.

    Don't be too disheartened. During a quiet bit last week, Millar was rabbitting on about the approach of some of the smaller teams, and he was full of praise for WGG's clear objectives and how they were meeting them - or something like that. Suffice to say that but for your posts I wouldn't even have noticed.

    If you're looking for a way to put one of them on the podium for something, I'm happy to help.

    But first:

    It gets better; this is the basis used when the Tour was decided on points, from 1905 to 1912. Alaphilippe has won the Tour!

    To move WGG up still further, I think you'll need to go back to the combination classification. I was right that this disappeared from the Tour after 1989, also the final year of the intermediate sprints competition, which was also included in the calculation for the combination award. Wikipedia is pretty helpful about the bases used for all competitions in 1989, and I think you should be able to construct equivalent points and intermediate sprints classifications from the 2019 placings, if you really want to.

    But it may be harder for the KOM, since from memory, points used to be handed out for many more placings, particularly on the smaller climbs, and the 2019 data won't tell you who to give the points to. So trying to be totally accurate looks a bit futile, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'd suggest cherry picking whatever bases work to WGG's advantage, provided they resemble something that was actually used at some point, somewhere.

    It seems that the 1989 combination classification allocated 25 points for first place in the individual competitions, 24 for second, and so on, with nothing for 25th or lower. So not being classified in the intermediate sprints, which was probably quite a common situation, didn't in that year rule you out of the combination. You see where I'm going with this?

    Another surprising nugget: in 1989, again according to Wikipedia quoting what looks to be a credible source*, there actually was an award to the rider holding the yellow jersey for the most days, the Souvenir Jacques Anquetil. This was won by Laurent Fignon, with nine days, defeating Greg Lemond by the narrowest possible margin. He must've been thrilled.

    * van den Akker, Pieter (2018). Tour de France Rules and Statistics. 1903–2018
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  15. OP
    rich p

    rich p ridiculous old lush

    Ex England wicket keeper did the whole route, albeit the day before the weather and landslides.

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