Reporting mobile use while driving

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by Twenty Inch, 4 Mar 2010.

  1. CXRAndy

    CXRAndy Guru

    Location:
    Lincs
    Told off a woman yesterday for using her phone whilst waiting at a junction. She really didn't get it, that not moving isn't the same as parked. She however did put her phone away when I said I was more than happy to record her using it and pass it to the police. I got the proverbial flicked V when she drove away. Maybe she will hesitate using her phone next time
     
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  2. Arjimlad

    Arjimlad Tights of Cydonia

    Location:
    South Glos
    Two from one ride on Monday. Dashcam review officers "seeking to prosecute".

    The first an executive in slow moving traffic.

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    The second a young driver waiting in a queue with the car in gear, footbrake on, eating from a packet on her lap and keeping up with social media on her handheld phone. She may be young enough to lose her licence for this one offence but needs re-education.

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  3. benb

    benb Evidence based cyclist

    Location:
    Epsom
    Nice work, keep it up
     
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  4. Arjimlad

    Arjimlad Tights of Cydonia

    Location:
    South Glos
    One from this morning. Using it whilst stationary at the lights then still using it 30 seconds later when she drove past me. Advisory letter going out.
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  5. Arjimlad

    Arjimlad Tights of Cydonia

    Location:
    South Glos
    One from last Thursday's journey home - dashcam police "seeking to prosecute".



    And another from the same journey, dashcam officers also "seeking to prosecute" (surprising despite the poor footage) - phone on the wheel, no seat belts on her or the child in the front seat, no MOT either.

     
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  6. Blue Hills

    Blue Hills ^

    Location:
    London
    Quick question - apologies if answered upthread - is it illegal these days to use a phone behind the wheel if stationary?

    (i stress I'm not a driver these days so not contemplating any dodgy driving)
     
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  7. Phaeton

    Phaeton Guru

    Location:
    Oop North (ish)
    Theoretically yes, if you are in charge of a vehicle & on the phone you are liable, even to extent that if you are pulled over at the side of the road, not in gear, handbrake on with the engine switched off you could still be prosecuted, although I think that has yet to be tested in court.
     
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  8. Drago

    Drago Flouncing Nobber

    Unless you are parked lawfully, handbrake applied, and engine off, and (ideally, to remove all doubt that your are at that moment in charge) keys out of the ignition, your license can expect a swift punch in the kindneys from the Sweeney. Exception is when calling 999 in an emergency.
     
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  9. Arjimlad

    Arjimlad Tights of Cydonia

    Location:
    South Glos
    Avon & Somerset send out a NIP if the driver is stationary, usually in traffic or at a red light. They're distracted & in charge of a car. Today's example shows how drivers will set off whilst their attention is still held by their phone.
     
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  10. Drago

    Drago Flouncing Nobber

    No need to NIP for mobile phone use, its ism't a CHAMPSDG offence. They'll get a name the driver form, and once they've returned that they'll get a court date.
     
  11. Arjimlad

    Arjimlad Tights of Cydonia

    Location:
    South Glos
    Ah. Here's hoping. I cannot get an answer from them as to whether any 3rd party camera footage has ever resulted in a prosecution for mobile phone use. One reviewing officer said that they put them forward for prosecution but get knocked back every time. Seems odd when the Met are dishing out FPN and convictions based on this evidence according to more prolific London-based cyclists. At least they get proper feedback. Why do you mention CHAMPSDG - I thought that was a list of animals for reportable collisions? I think I was saying NIP thinking of the name the driver form.
     
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  12. Drago

    Drago Flouncing Nobber

    Ah blimey, it's an acronym denoting classes off offences that are notifiable, recordable, or NIP able...but after 3 decades I cant remember half of them! Sorry!

    Certainly here in poshshire they do, albeit I suspect infrequently. First county in the UK to get a driver banned on the basis of dashcam footage, so they occasionally do something right.

    Keep up the good work ;)
     
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  13. benb

    benb Evidence based cyclist

    Location:
    Epsom
    You are correct. Cow, Horse, Ass, Mule, Pig, Sheep, Dog, Goat.

    Mobile phone offences do not require a NIP, but it's got nothing to do with CHAMPSDG.

    Offences that require a NIP are dangerous driving, careless driving, speeding and disobeying traffic signs and traffic signals. Anything involving a collision or an injury do not require a NIP.
     
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  14. Arjimlad

    Arjimlad Tights of Cydonia

    Location:
    South Glos
    Just had an informative chat. I am emailing two superintendents. I am asking whether A&S Police actually ever prosecute third-party reported mobile phone abuse. The Dashcam officers say "seeking to prosecute" but apparently the Criminal Justice department usually does not prosecute. It is very much at odds with what others are achieving in London. I think I misunderstood "seeking to prosecute" as NIP.
     
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  15. Drago

    Drago Flouncing Nobber

    Ah, that's it. Was rather off beam! I recall saying "chimpspg", sniggering, getting shouted at by the trainer....


    I don't know what A and S are set up, but Justice Departments are administrative. Decisions to prosecute rests with the police for summary and admitted either way offences, or the CPS for indictable or non admitted either way offences (with a few exceptions to that rule, such as where racially aggravated, etc). The civilians in between prepare files for court and push paper, they play no part in the decision making process.

    All motoring offences up to careless and dangerous (in the case of dangerous, where admitted, but at the lower end of the scale) are solely the decision of the police to charge or summons, so don't let the superninetendo's give you any guff - the investigating officers supervisor makes the decision on prosecution, and no one else. No one then has the authority to countermand that decision, although the CPS has several mechanisms by which they can then halt the process wt the first hearing. If Avon and Somerset aren't charging, it's because a police officer somewhere is making the decision not to - that decision could likely be a policy one made by the scrambled egg ranks, but it is nevertheless a decision that only the police can make.
     
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