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Except she was never a page 3 model. The queen, by all accounts, liked her. So not sure why you thought they were "terrified".

As usual you just fire off a post without reading or understanding..

You just come in to start a @Hitchington crusader post.. Did i say she was a page 3 girl.. No i didn't did i..
But she did top less modelling, so you could have worked it out..

Haven't you got any real life things to do sweetie..
 
He's been Royal correspondent for a long time now. Always seems like an easy job, reporting on only some of the activities of people who spend a lot of time on holiday.
He has. He's never looked particularly enthusiastic about it though. Like someone said, look, it's royal correspondent or a P45. Wasn't Charles caught on camera saying 'I detest that man' after he'd asked him a question. Not great for your royal correspondent to be detested by the people he's following around.
 
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He has. He's never looked particularly enthusiastic about it though. Like someone said, look, it's royal correspondent or a P45. Wasn't Charles caught on camera saying 'I detest that man' after he'd asked him a question. Not great for your royal correspondent to be detested by the people he's following around.
It was probably mutual, I'd imagine, apart from the fake fawning and sycophancy.
 

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As usual you just fire off a post without reading or understanding..

You just come in to start a @Hitchington crusader post.. Did i say she was a page 3 girl.. No i didn't did i..
But she did top less modelling, so you could have worked it out..
We knew she wasn't and we now know (unless page 3 syndicates 'all over 50') she never will be. But a concern, at time of her friendship with Andrew, she might???????
 

mudsticks

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Maybe Greece, Turkey, Cyprus?
They suggest the kind of man, and we’ve all met them, who has a two-tier view of the female sex. There is a world for their daughters, hopefully insulated from men like their friend Jeffrey – and then there is another world for girls who service their friend Jeffrey.

Poor Prince Andrew is ‘appalled’ by Epstein. Let that be an end to it

(Marina Hyde piece in the Guardian)
This exactly.

They'll defend the use of pornography, prostitutes, 'boys will be boys' in regard to non consensual sex, and all the 'lad' stuff, if it's for them, or their mates.

But If their daughter / wife / sister / mother / any female known personally to them, announced.

"I'm tired of working my butt off in this hospital / supermarket / office / home, for next to no money, I'm going into escort work, or maybe make some adult films..

They'd likely take a very different view of matters.

Immature, 'entitled' males aren't going to stop abusing their power, unless they're routinely called out, and pulled up by other guys, who actually, actively want this abuse of women and children to stop. .

This is starting to happen in some of the younger generation, but it's an uphill struggle for them, they're routinely accused of being overly 'woke' or, virtue signalling or whatever.

In truth they're just pointing out this abuse and injustice that has been going on unchecked for centuries.

Evil prospers when good men do nothing.

In these sorts of cases it's up to 'good men' to do a great deal more.
 
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mudsticks

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Ah "virtue signalling", when people would much rather you didn't give a shoot.
Exactly..

It's shorthand for

"I really don't care because this issue doesnt affect, or interest me directly, and the fact that you are concerned, makes me feel a bit uncomfortable - if I'm forced to acknowledge the problem I might have to do something about it, or at least just admit that I'm really not interested in the concerns of others, and that might make me look bad"
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
Andrew is asserting that from 1999 - when he met Epstein - until 2008 when Epstein was convicted, he never suspected what kind of a man Epstein really was. That must be taken at face value. - Nicholas Witchell

BBC Link

Well quite Nicholas, this despite Epstein being reported to the police in 2005 and charged for multiple counts in 2006 being referred to the FBI in 2006 and seeking a plea deal in 2007?

Huffpost link

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This exactly.

They'll defend the use of pornography, prostitutes, 'boys will be boys' in regard to non consensual sex, and all the 'lad' stuff, if it's for them, or their mates.

But If their daughter / wife / sister / mother / any female known personally to them, announced.

"I'm tired of working my butt off in this hospital / supermarket / office / home, for next to no money, I'm going into escort work, or maybe make some adult films..

They'd likely take a very different view of matters.

Can I ask a slightly off topic but related question that has been bothering me for some time...

Many people with my qualifications are employed working with people with mental disabilities, and most of our training for this area. In recent years there's been a growing realisation that people with mental disabilities have sexual desires.

Now that may sound a bit "No sh*t Sherlock" because hormonally there's not necessarily a difference in someone's body when they become a teenager, no matter what mental disabilities may exist.

Now, I was told in no uncertain terms that it is the right of people with disabilities to have whatever sexual desires they have fulfilled. Again, that can sound all very reasonable and inclusive. Why should people with disabilities not have the same experiences and desires as other people et c...

We as staff were supposed to help them, by which they meant, finding a local brothel or escort service (legal in Germany) and if necessary booking a place for a client and taking them there, to leave them to their own devices for an hour or two and them pick them up.

It was even suggested that if we disagreed with this we were "in the wrong job".

Assuming that this is all done on a professional level with consenting adults, how is this different or less abusive than a wealthy man using their wealth and power to get sex from adult women for payment? How is it not abusive to "facilitate" for one group and abusive if it's another group paying for the same service?

There's a lot of people in Germany pushing this at the moment, and they are all saying the same: we should facilitate the sexual desires of people with disabilities. It is one major reason why I decided to work in addiction and psychological work.
 
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mudsticks

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Can I ask a slightly off topic but related question that has been bothering me for some time...

Many people with my qualifications are employed working with people with mental disabilities, and most of our training for this area. In recent years there's been a growing realisation that people with mental disabilities have sexual desires.

Now that may sound a bit "No sh*t Sherlock" because hormonally there's not necessarily a difference in someone's body when they become a teenager, no matter what mental disabilities may exist.

Now, I was told in no uncertain terms that it is the right of people with disabilities to have whatever sexual desires they have fulfilled. Again, that can sound all very reasonable and inclusive. Why should people with disabilities not have the same experiences and desires as other people et c...

We as staff were supposed to help them, by which they meant, finding a local brothel or escort service (legal in Germany) and if necessary booking a place for a client and taking them there, to leave them to their own devices for an hour or two and them pick them up.

It was even suggested that if we disagreed with this we were "in the wrong job".

Assuming that this is all done on a professional level with consenting adults, how is this different or less abusive than a wealthy man using their wealth and power to get sex from adult women for payment? How is it not abusive and something to "facilitate" for one group and abusive if it's another group paying for the same service?

There's a lot of people in Germany pushing this at the moment, and they are all saying the same: we should facilitate the sexual desires of people with disabilities. It is one major reason why I decided to work in addiction and psychological work.
Totally depends on the status and rights of the sex worker. Sounds like Germany has different policies.

In the UK sex work is criminalised, or at least if several women choose to work together in a safe space providing these services they can be prosecuted for running a brothel.
If sex work is undertaken as a choice, if the sex workers have autonomy, and the same workers rights, freedom from harassment and abuse as any one else, then that's one thing.

However in most of the world that is not the case.

Largely due to the moral double standards in place, which means sex workers are routinely demeaned, abused, and seen as 'less than' by society.

So they are left open to abuse.

Trafficking of sex workers is still prevelant world wide.

As things stand its very hard to find non coerced, non exploitative sex work situations. (in UK, and much of the world, I know there are a few exceptions)

It's a tricky one vis a vis those with disabilities.

But the bottom line is that no one has right of access to another person's body for their own personal gratification.
Unless it is truly consensual.

Otherwise the sex worker is going to be suffering trauma / mental health problems too.

Bring money into the situation and it's hard to avoid abuses of power.

Not to say it can't be done, but it's not straightforward by any means.
 
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