Coronavirus outbreak

tom73

Veteran
Location
Yorkshire
Promotion nice one :okay:.
School Nursing one of the long forgotten areas of primary care they do a lot more than many think.
At least they are trusting them to jab people Mrs 73 and many others won’t be allowed as the plan stands. To care for her patients they will expect them to plan every thing though and to step in when it go’s wrong. Legally it’s a mind field as that bit no ones thought to amend. Given that when they volunteer to do this outside of work to help out. They will be welcome with open arms is a pretty big kick in the teeth add in the work she’s already done helping to stop the wheels coming off. Don‘t feel much of a thank you.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
So we're told that, for once, Mr Dither-and-Delay is pushing on forwards with his idea. Sadly, that idea is his "Catch Covid for Christmas" plan. https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-covid-19-christmas-5275649-Nov2020/
 
More great news on vaccine front today.

Notably (from company press release, apply scepticism as you see fit...)

Furthermore, the vaccine’s simple supply chain and our no-profit pledge and commitment to broad, equitable and timely access means it will be affordable and globally available, supplying hundreds of millions of doses on approval.”
 

tom73

Veteran
Location
Yorkshire
More great news on vaccine front today.

Notably (from company press release, apply scepticism as you see fit...)

Furthermore, the vaccine’s simple supply chain and our no-profit pledge and commitment to broad, equitable and timely access means it will be affordable and globally available, supplying hundreds of millions of doses on approval.”
Which is what we really need you can't just leave large parts of the world going unchecked if you really want to get "back to normal".
Or it just start all over again.
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
So we're told that, for once, Mr Dither-and-Delay is pushing on forwards with his idea. Sadly, that idea is his "Catch Covid for Christmas" plan. https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-covid-19-christmas-5275649-Nov2020/
The Swiss operated a policy of normal life - pubs and restaurants open- and now have a spike in infections resulting in their ICU's being full and they are down to the reserves. This despite being told what would happen by their virologists.

If the risk is too great then Christmas this year will have to go. We are not living at present in normal times, and the virus isn't going to take a Christmas break.
 

classic33

Legendary Member
More great news on vaccine front today.

Notably (from company press release, apply scepticism as you see fit...)

Furthermore, the vaccine’s simple supply chain and our no-profit pledge and commitment to broad, equitable and timely access means it will be affordable and globally available, supplying hundreds of millions of doses on approval.”
Any of the companies involved in "Operation Warp Speed"?
 
Not every company is part of it. Those that are will be getting an Emergency User Agreement, in exchange for their product. They've also shared some of their work amongst others on Operation Warp Speed.

They're basically saying what they agreed to.
I don't think emergency use approval is predicated on warp speed involvement.

It's a defined regulatory pathway, and they wouldn't delay a vaccine because if the funding route, I think?

Could be wrong.

[Edit: and it's only relevant to US approval anyway]
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
"There is a significant inverse correlation between mumps titers [antibodies in subject] [generated] from MMR II [vaccination, in youth, say] and COVID-19 severity [experienced by subjects who catch it]"
See this video - bottom line in 0:20- 0:45, with no starting ads. Watching the whole video requires determination.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdAPgglDJAU

Link to paper in video subscript. Note that this effect has better correlation to those vaccinated as opposed to those who had (just) had the illness (mumps).
 

PaulB

Legendary Member
Location
Colne
I just took someone to a drive-through Covid testing centre. All my fears about this came to the surface.

Give someone a yellow jacket, and you can witness their level of self-importance rise out of control.

There were far too many of them than could conceivably be required so they were jumping all over the place like rabbits trying to get noticed. Jumping in front of cars that had the temerity to drive on the public car park was the first annoyance. Being told the speed limit was five MPH another. Talking to you like you were William Simpleton Esq and anything you did was automatically wrong. 'Did I tell you you could open your window?" This from a kid of about fifteen!

Directed to pull into the narrowest, most tricky car park space in the entire car park, despite there being acres of empty spaces slightly further on.

It was nauseating to see and I can only imagine how bad this is going to get now and it won't be pleasant.

I understand they want mass co-operation but if their idea is to be as obstructive as possible is going to have split the community into two factions; those who are brow-beaten into doing everything they're told by some adolescent kid who should be glad to actually be in a job and those who turn their backs on it and refuse to subject themselves too such derisory treatment.

And of course, there's no way of knowing how accurate the findings of the test is going to be. There are too many false positives to enable us to trust the system, especially with people like I've seen today directing them.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
And of course, there's no way of knowing how accurate the findings of the test is going to be. There are too many false positives to enable us to trust the system, especially with people like I've seen today directing them.
No way, except for all the work being done to estimate test accuracy, which has a latest report saying "the data suggest that the false-positive rate is very low, under 0.005%." https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...pilot/latest#test-sensitivity-and-specificity

It's still shoot if some people are making a crisis into a drama by acting out their fantasies of being a concentration camp guard, but I don't see how it will mess up the test results.
 

CanucksTraveller

Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
Location
Hertfordshire
I just took someone to a drive-through Covid testing centre. All my fears about this came to the surface.

Give someone a yellow jacket, and you can witness their level of self-importance rise out of control.

There were far too many of them than could conceivably be required so they were jumping all over the place like rabbits trying to get noticed. Jumping in front of cars that had the temerity to drive on the public car park was the first annoyance. Being told the speed limit was five MPH another. Talking to you like you were William Simpleton Esq and anything you did was automatically wrong. 'Did I tell you you could open your window?" This from a kid of about fifteen!
That was my experience when I took my daughter for a test too.

One yellow jacket told me to drive into a specific space, so I did exactly as asked. Then I was shouted at by a different yellow jacket for parking in the wrong place.
I kept my windows closed, until a yellow jacket shouted at my wife to open the window otherwise (with sarcasm) how was the jacket supposed hand the bag over?
With the test on the small one complete and bagged up, wifey then opened her window a little to get shouted at by another yellow jacket to shut her window. Said yellow jacket mocked rhetorically and with more sarcasm, asking whether any yellow jacket had told us to open our window yet! Apparently we were supposed to put our 4 way flashers on when we were ready, which none of the yellow jackets had mentioned.

I've honestly not been spoken to like that since I was a young recruit!
I did wonder who these people work for and what sort of training they'd had. They weren't military, or seemingly in any kind of medical clothing, just their own clothes.
 
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