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Joey Shabadoo

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Not sure about outclassing the royal navy in the med - Mussolini liked to push the idea of the Med being Mare Nostrum (our sea) but he couldn't control it. Had trouble keeping supplies to North Africa open. Yes they did stay in port a hell of a lot so not a lot of use. A large part of the reason for this a lot of the time was, incredible as it seems, shortage of fuel.
i don't really understand what you mean about italian ships outclassing the royal navy if, as you say, they tended to get thumped by the royal navy whenever they came out.
The Italian ship Roma came to a particularly sad end - in the chaos after September 8, when Italian forces were all over the place thanks to less than decisive leadership it got sank by the germans. It was supposed to deliver itself to the allies.
The RN in the Med was mainly comprised of second rate, tired, overworked ships. The best were kept at Scapa for use against the Germans.
A good piece about Matapan here - https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2016/09/09/mussolinis-navy-foiled-the-battle-of-cape-matapan/
 
Possibly ALLL true, but they did do pretty well in the Schneider flying boat trophy. Britain won it eventually, but that was because the I talians were not quite ready. When their plane was ready it broke the air speed record. It has a contra-rotating propeller. So why were Italian aircraft engines so crummy?
I think it's a bit of a generalisation to say that all Italian aero engines were "crummy". Having said that, the FIAT engine in question was a 3,000 hp V-24 and clearly didn't live up to its promise as far as reliability was concerned.

Incidentally, the Schneider Trophy wasn't just open to flying boats, but to all seaplane categories - the last half-dozen winners of the original competition were all floatplanes.
 
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HMS_Dave

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The RN in the Med was mainly comprised of second rate, tired, overworked ships. The best were kept at Scapa for use against the Germans.
A good piece about Matapan here - https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2016/09/09/mussolinis-navy-foiled-the-battle-of-cape-matapan/
Well second rate is a tad harsh. As WW2 proved, the battleship was outdated and the aircraft carrier supreme. Even with old fashioned, canvas fairey swordfish aircraft, the RN caused massive devastation for the italians at the Battle of Taranto. The brand new Battleship Bismarck with all its modern AA was likely finished off by them after nailing the Hood. Also the Italians lacked radar (which they did have but mussolini thought it a waste of time) which allowed the RN superior night fighting capabilities which was demonstrated time and time again. By far the biggest problem for the RN were bomber attacks by land based airforces.
 

MichaelW2

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Well second rate is a tad harsh. As WW2 proved, the battleship was outdated and the aircraft carrier supreme. Even with old fashioned, canvas fairey swordfish aircraft, the RN caused massive devastation for the italians at the Battle of Taranto. The brand new Battleship Bismarck with all its modern AA was likely finished off by them after nailing the Hood. Also the Italians lacked radar (which they did have but mussolini thought it a waste of time) which allowed the RN superior night fighting capabilities which was demonstrated time and time again. By far the biggest problem for the RN were bomber attacks by land based airforces.
The Taranto attack proved that torpedoes could be launched into shallow water by use of technical modifications. The Japanese paid close attention to this action, the Americans less so.
 

byegad

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The Taranto attack proved that torpedoes could be launched into shallow water by use of technical modifications. The Japanese paid close attention to this action, the Americans less so.
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